Poisoned Pets: Blue Buffalo

This article came to me from poisoned pets:

http://www.poisonedpets.com/blue-buffalo-admits-pet-food-mislabeled-pets-got-inferior-chicken-instead/

We have used this brand in the past, but Akela really didn't like it.
I'm posting this just as an FYI.
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  • Wow! That's probably the most expensive feed too. I never could afford to feed it. I still think table scrap and uncooked trimmings of meat with rice and vegetables is best.
  • Totally agree dirtdodge! I noticed how much nicer my dogs coats were when I saved all the portions of the deer I didn't use and feed it to the dogs.
  • Mine will eat the deer bones completely after a few days. They really enjoy them too.
  • edited October 2014
    Blue Buffalo isn't even that good of a brand, and one pays a premium for it. There are more affordable higher-quality kibbles out there.
  • What brands and mixes do you recommend? I checked on the Purina ProPlan 30/20 today, and a 35 lb. bag is $52.
  • edited October 2014
    I feed Acana Sport/Agility, which is the most readily available kibble locally. It's about $45-$55 USD per 30lbs bag. Although I see some stores online are selling them for $75. Outrageous.

    But I know I can get cheaper performance kibbles from the Internet from all sort of brands. The only problem is that I haven't really calculated how many pounds he go through in a year. It's the cost of the shipping which kills, so it's better to order them by the pallet.

    I never understood why Blue Buffalo is popular. It's a lot for money for what is a relatively low-calorie kibble.
  • Found a store that carries Acana in the next town over, about 20 miles. Thanks Dave.
  • All of the homework I have done keeps leading back to Acana and Origen for a food that's as wholesome as can be expected from a kibble. We use this to supplement, convenience, or when we travel. We stopped using Blue Buffalo when we found that the Acana and Origen we more appetizing to him (and they just plain smell better to me). We've also tried the freeze dried raw stuff and it just gives him a loose stool. Regular raw always works best for him.
  • http://www.sleddogcentral.com/dogfood.htm

    List of performance dog-food kibbles.
  • edited October 2014
    Been thinking about switching to Inukshuk (http://inukshukpro.com/), more specifically ordering the 32/32 for hunting season. But the 30/25 seems to be the better buy year-around.

    Here's one of my e-mail correspondence with them.
    Dave the bags prices are

    30/25

    1-10 - $44.40
    11-19- $38.15
    20-64- $32.15
    Full pallet- $26.15

    32/32

    1-10- $59.85
    11-19- $51.50
    20-49 - $43.50
    Full pallet- $35.50

    All prices do not include tax and shipping as shipping is based on the amount you order.
    Prices are in CAD.
  • Thanks Dave you da best
  • Anyone try Diamond Performance 30/20 dog food. The ingrediants seem similar to Purina ProPlan 30/20 but about $15 less per 40# bag. I got a bag and started feeding it yesterday, so will give a report in a couple of weeks.
  • @Dave - Inukshuk is what the breeder of my racing line husky uses and she loves the stuff. She'll give her dogs the 30/25 year round, and gives additional raw meat and fat during the training/racing season. She has found that 32/32 is too rich and can affect performance, some dogs having digestive issues causing diarrhea (which leads to dehydration). I understand that (mid-long distance) racing is not the same as hunting but felt it worth sharing the info I was given. I would have considered trying it if it didn't have corn in it, but may try one of the other highly suggested brands such as Annamaet, Dr. Tims, or RedPaw.
  • edited November 2014
    Haven't fed the Diamond Performance, my Shiba can't have wheat or corn and I don't bother feeding my other dogs anything he can't have. I liked the Diamond Extreme Athlete before they changed the formula to include potato protein. (I'm a bit of a dogfood snob.) I am currently feeding Annamaet Ultra, which my dogs are doing pretty good on so far, but it's hard to find and kinda expensive so I probably won't feed it again.

    @Calia RedPaw 32K has corn and the 38K had corn gluten meal, which is why I haven't used it. I really like it though, the sleddog kennel I handled at fed that.
  • @Losech - I've been looking more into Redpaw's X-Series, which is corn and wheat free. Annamaet would be easier for me to get as there are local pet stores who carry it.
  • @Dave - Inukshuk is what the breeder of my racing line husky uses and she loves the stuff. She'll give her dogs the 30/25 year round, and gives additional raw meat and fat during the training/racing season. She has found that 32/32 is too rich and can affect performance, some dogs having digestive issues causing diarrhea (which leads to dehydration). I understand that (mid-long distance) racing is not the same as hunting but felt it worth sharing the info I was given. I would have considered trying it if it didn't have corn in it, but may try one of the other highly suggested brands such as Annamaet, Dr. Tims, or RedPaw.
    Yeah, I am not really surprised. My plan was to feed 30/25 for every-day at home-stuff, then 32/32 for out in the field.

    The company offered pre-packing them in 200 grams proportion for hiking and hunting trips which is probably sufficient for that.

  • Anamaet's Glycocharge supplement has also been highly recommended by some big racing kennels and sled dog nutrition specialists for better training ad race recovery.
  • @Calia Oh, durh, I totally forgot about those. But again I'd have trouble getting it here, nothing remotely close carries it and buying it online is just not cost-effective at this point.

    The sleddog kennel used and swore by Glycocharge. I never really noticed a difference in recovery when the dogs got it or didn't.
  • edited November 2014
    @Losech - If my memory of the seminar is right, you wouldn't really notice the recovery unless the dogs were worked really hard. For the most part you see the results in less incidents of injury.

    Edit to add that it also needs to be given within 30 minutes after exercise, any longer and it's basically useless.
  • @Losech - If my memory of the seminar is right, you wouldn't really notice the recovery unless the dogs were worked really hard. For the most part you see the results in less incidents of injury.
    Yeah, preventive care are not observable on an individual basis. It would require recording injury statistics over the long-term of several years to see if it makes a difference or not.
  • I feed raw meats, particularly during deer season. Here, in Virginia, we have Southern States brands of dog food, made in USA. This is what I feed my dogs with, when I am short on raw meats. Raw meat may be messy to deal with, but dogs like it. They like to chew on raw deer hide and eat some of it even when muscle meat is available. Does it clean their teeth? May be it cleans something in their digestive system? I do not know, but after eating raw hide with hair on it, their excrements look like excrements of coyote. Interesting that the dogs like to eat raw deer hide after a prolonged period in kibble. After a few days, they do not want it any more.
  • I read that in your book and have always tried to feed raw meat to my Laika and my Akbash (both old dog breeds). My male Laika and female Akbash grew up eating it and prefer it. They will skip kibble and it takes them a few days to even want it. If I do not eat a part of the animal I have killed I feed it to the dogs except intestines. I feed ribs, head. organ meat of animals. As it gets colder I have tried main portions of raccoon and again my male Laika loves it as well as the Akbassh. My female Laika was not raised by me and is picky she will eat livers of animals and some rib meat of squirrels. Deer meat no problem she devours that. I have thought about what is left of the squirrel hide and what are your thoughts on that uralman? I also raised my Jagdterrier from a pup and she loves raw meat as well. She will devour a hole raccoon back leg with no problem and even eat the bones. Also, should I add some rice or other cooked grain to their food?
  • Actually, some parts of digestive system are very much liked by dogs, for example, tripe. Usually I shake up its content to our chickens. They like to eat fermented grass and partly crashed acorns from deer's stomach. Then, I rinse the tripe slightly and cut it into pieces to treat every dog. The guts have plenty of fat, which is also well eaten by dogs. Deer's head is a different project. I ax it into two symmetric halves, one half per dog. It takes a lot of chewing, good for jaws and teeth. Now, we have a deer hunting season and my dog do not have much to do, except chewing tough foods. There is a lot of shooting is heard from all directions. I will go next Saturday to try my luck. Majority of hunters want big racks, eight pointer or more. The best meat is in young deer, though.
  • edited November 2014
    I fed whole grouses to mine, except the breast. He eats the whole thing, feather and all.

    His scat is more like coyote's.
  • Flint will eat just about anything I give him, or he finds. He ate an entire grouse while in Wyoming (he caught and killed it himself). My dogs normally get anything I don't eat from game animals, as well as the domestic animals I've butchered. I regularly give them fresh raw meats and eggs, that makes up 25%-50% of their diet.

    @Calia I've been feeding Annamaet Ultra for a little while, and am in no way satisfied with it. Flint and Sasha have massive eye boogies, which they developed immediately after switching. Conker (as usual) isn't doing so great digestive-wise, I have to add pre and probiotics to keep things tolerable. Even Flint isn't digesting it too well, and nobody has good energy on it (tire easily).
    I will not be using it again. I'd like to try Dr. Tim's Momentum next but the 40lb bags are out of stock on petflow and chewy right now.
  • Finished feeding the bag of Diamond Performance 30/20 and two dogs stools firmed up, but the other two are still soft, although not as soft as when feeding the normal Purina dog chor or Retriever Dog Chow. Started a bag of Purina ProPlan Lamb 26/16 and will let you know.
  • By far Purina Pro plan was the best dog food I ever fed. Now I feed Sportsmix wholesome fish meal and rice. It is OK but I supplement lot of raw game meat and bones as well. Especially this time of year. Deer scraps, bones, and organ meat. Also, squirrel parts I don't eat and coon meat.
  • I've recently thought that bowfishing for carp etc. could be a good way to get some fish during summer to freeze for dog food. I have not tried this as I didn't want to kill fish without a usefull purpose for the resulting meat. Seems that in the Happy People program, the dogs ate a large diet of fish. This could be a fun and cheap source of extra protien. What do all of you think?
  • Most of what I hunt goes to the dogs, actually... I'd catch fish if I had a good source of wild fish nearby (haven't found one yet). Lots of working dogs are fed fish worldwide, I don't think it would harm the dogs as long as they were getting all the nutrients they needed.
  • edited November 2014
    Check waste-wanton laws.

    In some of the places up here, like Yukon, one is not allowed to feed game-animals of any kind to dogs.

    Haven't checked Alberta's though.
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