How many of you have a firm control over your dogs off leash without the use of a shock collar? Does anyone have an obedient WSL that can go off leash around the yard or in the woods? I had to get my male a shock collar to keep him from running off my property. In the woods as well. I'm sure this is the norm but still curious if anyone has a different situation with their dog. I know the native hunters didn't have Garmin alphas to keep their dogs in line.